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[ambient music] (bjergsen): when i first met sven in solo queue, uh... ...not in person but in solo queue, he said some really bad things about my brother. so, i didn't like him that much, uh, but then i ended up playing in a team with him and he was pretty nice to me, i met him in real life and he's pretty similar to how he is now he's a pretty nice guy, really funny guy and just kind of a troll and i think it never occured he has to change that much but he's matured a lot and he is, become a lot smarter about the game.
i guess we've all become a lot smarter, he was just a really, like constantly aggressive player but now i think he's really good at, picking kinda when to be aggressive and after i met him i never really saw him as like, toxic? uhh, when you think like that, i think it's just... kinda what a lot of people do in european solo queue or being toxic so... (doublelift): like people were saying that he was a toxic player from before so i was like: 'ugh, this eu toxic sort of stigma stereotype of, you know, the top eu players also happens to be the most toxic players.' umm, i didn't, really know what to think about him and
to be honest, i kind did expect some of that to carry over, you know the toxicity or whatever. but eh, when i first started playing with him i realized why, he's actually just a really caring person he's- i think, everyone really enjoys playing with him, he's just such a positive teammate, i mean he'll always find ways to, like subtly, almost like compliment people and he'll reflect and remember things about people that makes them feel like, really special like for me example, he'll be like: 'oh i remember this time that you used this term, and i think that's- this specific term that you used really helped me understand like, this aspect of the game, and help the team understand this aspect of the game.'
and it makes me feel like, wow, he really does care about me and he really cares about the team and like, he really just enjoys like, waking up and playing league [of legends] with us every day and um... he always does what he's asked, he's just a great person. *unintelligible* (svenskeren): "dropping spider." "my ultimate is really low" *more unintelligible noise* "come mid!" (svenskeren) they have a wall, yeah that's a wall, that's a wall. they can't come!
"oh my god!" *unintelligible* defend him, defend him! *hype!* *moar hype!* g- doing what? i-i was just wanted, defend you! what the hell?! "what a fucking troll dude!" i wanna save you, what!?
"dennis, what the fuck was that?!" (svenskeren): so, i think the first time when i started playing video games was on a playstation 1 where, uhh, we're like four kids at home so i was usually just like, watching my big brother play and my little brother was watching us play as well so i was always trying to like, imitate what my big brother was doing and we're- he had like a playstation 1 so, we're always like fighting in turns to like, play crash bandicoot like a racing car game or something like that. so, i think that was when i first started and then my big brother got a pc and he was playing a lot of like
'red alert' uhh, like super old game like strategy game so i was like just watching him play that like, all day and then when he was at school sometimes i was allowed to play it myself so i'll like, sneak on his pc everytime i could and just play it and then later on he got like, warcraft 3 and i just wanted to play it all the time. so, when we got internet it was like, a whole [different] world kinda like, to play on the battle.net and i was just playing like, a lot of dota [defense of the ancients]
dota allstars, whatever it was called back then and i got like, super addicted to dota and would just like, stay at home, play it all the time and then eh, some friends recommended me to play league of legends and at first i was like, 'this looks like a kids game i would rather play dota' but i kinda got like, i tried it and then i just was just so addicted i couldn't stop playing it and then here i am, i guess. the first real opportunity i got was eh, when a team called 'team black' invited me to play on eh, mlg summer arena in new york so that's like, my first tournament kind of, i went to.
*the 2012 mlg pro circuit summer arena, where four teams competed over a $10,000 prize pool, held in the mlg offices in new york city.* (svenskeren): it was pretty big because my parents like, were really against me playing before that and i had to say no to like, offers from some teams before that because i wasn't allowed to like i just couldn't play anymore and i had to go to school all the time so that- that was like, eye-opening for my parents and they gave me like, a gap year to where i could like, try and just focus on gaming and then i joined copenhagen wolves during that year and luckily we made it to lcs so my parents like, allowed me to follow what i wanted to do, yeah. so i think the biggest difference when i came to america for the first time like, being used to being in europe and stuff like this uh, it was kind of that, america kinda like, surprised me in the...
how professional it was because usually it is like, 'eu is better than na', it's been like a meme for like, four years or something so i was kind of expecting like, eu to have- lot- a lot uh, stricter practice and stuff like this but in america it's like, a lot stricter actually you like have to wake up super early while in europe it's like, a lot of teams just wake up at 3pm and just like, 'ahh whatever i'll just play some scrims', not really take it that serious but in the america it's like super serious where you wake up at like, 9am every day so that was like, the biggest difference and then just like, the obvious ones like, the weather is super nice here, all the time
so you can always wear like, shorts and a t-shirt and you kinda need a car or you just have to order food because, the city is so big i guess so it's not really that many stores like, close so that's like, the biggest ones, i think. (weldon): we decided that it's a balance between like, what kevin tries to do when he hears a 'missing' call is he tries to execute as much as possible on the play and on the xp [experience points] and on the cs [creep score] and back out at the last possible moment to deny them both the roam and any pressure they get out of it. so, like, finding that line is err, is an imprecise science cuz you don't have perfect vision of them but if you use the information he shares and you think, 'what is the exact time where i can get the maximum benefit.' you're always on the far side of that line in training
and you just wanna make sure you're on this side of the line on stage which should happen if you really amp up your testosterone we talked about before. (hauntzer): amp it up! (weldon): good! (bjergsen): i think it's always reminding everyone to have a plan and to always think about an objective or like, be setting up a play, because sometimes we're a little bit slow you know, first games? (weldon): what are we planning around, what are we playing around. (bjergsen): yeah. pretty much.
that. well, especially when... a lane has a lead we don't- sometimes don't init- like, immediately set up a play but, um. sometimes i do a good job on reminding people and sometimes i don't so... i'll try do that. it's ok. *fade in* (hauntzer): ...when if we have to do that. alright?
after i, after i ult. yeah, good job you guys! 3, 2, 1! *dab* (weldon): you mean to get clg tomorrow? (bjergsen): no we can't do that, we can't do that far (weldon): yes! (hauntzer) i'll be hilarious dude! (doublelift): show me up dude, show me up dude! (hauntzer): are you shitting me? c'mon. (weldon): i will come up there and do it with you.
that's ok. (hauntzer): i saw this interview where they said trash talk is dying. (doublelift): we can't do this dude. (hauntzer): and that was really good for the scene. (doublelift): but the dab is... it's too big. (doublelift): we don't deserve to do the dab until we've won playoffs. (hauntzer): alright alright alright. (weldon): alright, good point, good point. duh dab. (hauntzer): the dab. (weldon): then it's- then it's really bm. [bad manners]
because then it's a super hype game and that'll feel even worse. (doublelift): it means- it means more. you're gonna do it here- ok yeah. (doublelift): and to them. on the main stage i want you to visualize uh, your play, and remember that when you play and you visualize you're playing, you're not visualizing your avatar, you're visualizing your hands manipulating the keyboard and the mouse and then that moves your avatar.
so make sure you visualize the muscles, ok? you guys are...? (doublelift): *bursts out laughing* you guys are real lame! (weldon): alright. (bjergsen): now this is getting really intimate. (weldon): tsm. one, two, three, *tsm!* (jatt): yeah, like you say, two completely different stories, for tsm, because they already undefeated and now they're up against an 0 and 8 team.
this is an opportunity to show that they can stay focused and continue chewing through, regardless of their opposition. now, to speak to their success a little bit, they've been playing an incredibly high pressure game. and that allows svenskeren to, live in the enemy jungle! you can see they control 67% of all buffs in their wins which is 6 percent above the week average. now one teleport down, they try to tp [teleport] into the bottom lane! (rivington): this may- the tempered fate actually is enough! that's going to be doublelift going down quickly, he's back up with the chrono shift and they're onto zig, biofrost actually getting able to get out of range with the stand beside me- aap i should say unbreakable.
and a doublekill for bjergsen after saying we haven't seen much from the midlanes it seems like, pirean is getting chased out, and p1 try to bite off more than they can chew! with just about a 10,000 in gold lead, first game of the series going over to tsm! (biofrost): we didn't really have any expectations but i'm pretty sure people did have some underlying expectations if we're being honest with ourselves and when we got into the game it was pretty shaky, we had a lot of unnecessary deaths and it was only until like, the mid to lategame that we kind of figured it out and we grouped up and we were able to take a couple of good teamfights. (rivington): actually feeling safe about it, they may be caught off guard by p1
but they're, using quite a bit- *fade in* "go on rek'sai" "kill this guy, kill this guy!" "leblanc flashed in." "leblanc!" "ashe has no flash." "ok." "alright." "rek's no flash."
"we're gonna do a dragon, we can just do it?" "yeah let's do dragon." "ok." "they're going mid, they're going mid." "look!" x11 (various): "gnar, gnar!" "on gnar!" "careful of bigger gnar." "i'm not there." "i'm tp-ing."
"we're fighting, we're fighting." "i'm on the- okay." "i'm going ashe!" x2 "chasing, there's three." "i go, i go." "i'm on gnar." "braum no flash." "keep going, i flash stun in 2- no, don't keep going." "baron." "push mid!"
"go baron?" "no, don't baron." "let's take-" "sirhcez, sirhcez." (rivington): now they're on to the nexus! tsm, staying undefeated in the north american lcs summer split, gonna take a few more seconds, one last hit, 50 gold over to hauntzer and that'll be the game! tsm take down p1! (jatt): yeah, much more decisive in this game too and this win means that tsm has now beat every team in the north american lcs and is still undefeated.
so very impressive first start for tsm, the best start, in tsm history. at 9 and 0. and now they have a legitimate chance and they're starting to think about maybe making a run for that perfect split. (doublelift): actually we did run, we actually did run all the way from our tier 2 to their fucking nexus. that was so funny. i just realized. (bjergsen): did we run in the mid or? (doublelift): how stupid it must've looked. (bjergsen): we run it down mid?
(doublelift): we ran it down mid. for so long. (bjergsen): we kept getting kills! (weldon): you got to nexus and then it was like... (bjergsen): we got to nexus and then it was like, 'can we siege in their nexus turret, end?' and then peter's like, 'noooooo?' "it was 2v4!" i felt so good, i was like, 'damn we're on a fucking roll right now!' (doublelift): me and vincent walk into our own jungle
they're just both doing our gromp, we steal the gromp and then chase them down it's like the most retarded- and the only reason why i was able to kill them was cuz vincent got the gromp for level 3. you didn't have tether, did you? (biofrost): no i didn't- i didn't think on it, i only got it after i got the level up. (weldon): when you think of how you played today and how t-how the team played we have a set with c9 this afternoon. what you're looking forward to training in this afternoon set that you want to like, push on before tomorrow's game. (bjergsen): it's fine, it's be more direct, if there's something i need, instead of saying 'we need to get vision' i'll just, say that let's put out some fucking wards.
right here. i'll just be more direct if there's something i don't feel like is being done properly. instead of addressing everyone, i'll just address, who needs to be addressed. (svenskeren): i think i'll make a tf presentation for you guys where you click ult, and then you used it again to teleport. "holy shit!" (bjergsen): i was clicking like, just above the minimap right? or i was thinking, somewhere around there, and then i clicked the minimap
and i was like, "where am i fucking going?!" then i just... i think i was ulting like, above the wolf camp or something, it's so random. (bjergsen): after having played all the teams, i think that we are the best team but any team can catch up on us. at pretty much at any time. i think c9 and immortals are really close to us and even now they can easily take a best of three off of us just off of, you know
if they have a better draft or if they play better on that day so it makes me feel good that we're not the best team by far because then there's no reason for us to get complacent or get lazy because these teams are working their asses off trying to catch up to us and trying to be the best team so it's good having that constant motivation, of having teams that are, i feel like slightly below us but, umm, trying their hardest to catch up. (parth): umm, yeah now that we've played every team, i don't think we're, the clear, best team in na yet. immortals took a break after msi [mid-season invitationals]
and so, when they first started off in the season, they were, looking a little sloppy and shaky, but if you see their recent games they're uh, a lot cleaner in the way they execute and they play the game. and so, i definitely think week 9, the game between us and immortals is going to be very close. the other super strong team is c9, they've al- they're also one of the teams that's sort of rebuilt themselves during the break. and they've been cleaning up their play as well, so i do think c9 and immortals are our threats in na and i expect going into playoffs that, that will continue. (svenskeren): so, when i first joined tsm, i would say i was pretty immature maybe in my playstyle because uhh, like i said before, in europe, it's like, a lot less strict so, you can kinda do whatever you want and it's not really like,
like you're forced to change your playstyle or stuff like this it's just like when i got to america i was kind of like, still playing like i was in europe where i just didn't really respect any of the people i was playing against so i would like, kind of always get caught but i'd usually like, draw a lot of resources from the enemy team so they'd have to like, use two or three people to kill me right? and sometimes i would kill the enemy jungler as well but then in america it's like, i had to adapt a lot more to my team and you could see that last split like, we just didn't really have the same playstyle but then i guess when summer split started we just all like, even spring split uhh, playoffs then we just managed a lot better together and
i think i changed my playstyle a lot more this season to being a more supportive jungler instead of like, craving all the resources and wanting to carry the games then i can like, sit back and let my team carry because i have like, players like, bjergsen and doublelift so, uhh, i can respect them and can always like, they can always uhh, carry the games so i don't really need to do much. (hauntzer): when i first started playing with them, on tsm. he was like a really, carry-oriented jungler, like he always wanted to play carry junglers and try to carry the game. he was really good at lee sin, and elise but he did not for the life of him want to play tank junglers like rek'sai or gragas. i think that's just because on his old team sk, he was just like, one of the main carries on the team so he was used to doing that role, but when he joined tsm, we already have like, really good carry players so we don't, really need a hard carry from jungler we just need like a,
kind of supportive and just like, a strong jungler in general. yeah, at first it was just really, different for us, and it was hard to like, mesh as a team because everyone wanted to carry and wanted to be the star of the team but, over time i think it's gotten to the point where we like we know where our wolves are on the team and we all play our roles accordingly, sometimes he's a carry, sometimes he has to play tanks and everyone's the same. so, we just kinda switch it on and off but, now he's more willing to play tanks and play for the team. (biofrost): playing against clg, you know, there's a long history between tsm and clg
and for me as like, a newcomer, you know, i'm not really in this rivalry. umm, i can still feel it because my teammates are trying extra hard like, they want to win really badly especially like doublelift um, i mean actually not even just doublelift like everyone because they played against them in the finals and they took a really heartbreaking loss. so, now they're kind of out for blood and that rivalry is like, stronger than ever, even though clg didn't come off to like, a great start this split, we still view them as a really strong team. and we pretty much put our best foot forward and tried our best. (kobe): and the next target is darshan, sending everybody up here for him. (rivington): oh no, that tp's down too so he's got a long walk to wherever he goes.
xmithie tries to right the wrong and puts himself in a bad spot now tsm gets two, and top turret! *fade in* "i'm clearing bot." (various) "fight fight fight!" *unintelligible* "jax's stunned!" *unintelligible* "darshan, darshan!" "we can chase." "i can go in ten, ten, ten, ten!" "i'm not there." "i go." "s."
"i got azir!" x3 "nidalee!" x4 "are you sure, someone can shop, someone can shop!" "guys, rush!?" "go nash!" x2 "reset at baron, reset at baron." "i can tp baron!" x2 "nice." (various) "azir!"
"i'm on nidalee." "i'm on braum!" "you can end." x2 "jax in 15." "just end." "end, end, end." "just end." "whooo!" "nice." x3 *fade in* (rivington): team solo mid, a sub 30 minute game to start off the rivalry! in this best of three and tsm take down clg in game 1!
(doublelift): well even in our wins we make a lot of mistakes so, the first game, i was playing sivir versus kalista and kevin was playing irelia versus jax, i think those two sidelanes are extremely volatile. we made a really big mistake early where kevin died and then i had to go crossmap to cover for his lane. i ended up being down like, 30 cs so, i think... in term of our postgame, we usually just identify, 'ok, what were the biggest mistakes, why did they happen and like, what do we- what should we do to make sure they don't happen again.' and
even in- even in like, extremely one-sided games, such as that one i think it was like a, 24-25 minute game win. we made a lot of mistakes! and the next time we play clg, we make the same mistakes, we're probably gonna lose. so, we focus more on what we're doing wrong rather than like, what the opponent, the level that our opponent is playing at. (rivington): clg doesn't look like they can get away on this one! bjergsen's gonna have xmithie! and he may actually go for darshan, doesn't really have the slow necessary... yes they do! they're gonna get back onto it. darshan goes down! they even throw one out for the homies as svenskeren throws down the cask.
(kobe): this is a secondary, they've already gotten the first one. oh, aphro dying! (rivington): he almost didn't get to ult, you have to remember as well the chains- (kobe): oh my! (rivington): -bit squishier, one for one now as bjergsen goes down! but there's still dps [damage per second] returning for tsm and they're able to clean up clg kills as svenskeren falls aswell! xmithie and aphromoo gone with huhi, one last hit- hauntzer looking to get over the wall, that iceborn gauntlet giving him just enough room- hauntzer gets bopped but it's gonna be a trading kill- that's darshan going down as well! tsm are gonna stay undefeated in the north american lcs as they take down counter logic gaming! (kobe): what an impressive series from tsm.
*slowly fading out* (doublelift): i thought our clg game was actually relatively close i think when two top teams play there's a tug of war between every lane and the shotcallers to figure out like, what the very best play is. and i- from a spectator position i can understand that people who watch that game are like, 'damn, tsm stomps clg.' and even watching the games back ourselves we're like, 'wow we played really, you know, we played pretty well.' and the games didn't seem very close but in reality it's just those one or two split-second decisions, those one or two teamfights that could've changed the entire series. so, just like, with the knowledge of that and
kind of like, on the backend, uhh, because we're a part of the win, it's doesn't feel like nearly as onesided as everyone makes it out to be, you have to put in a lot of work and a lot of effort to get to that point like, where you snowball extremely hard like, 8 or 10k gold ahead, and then closing out becomes easy. but uhh, the games themselves weren't easy. (bjergsen): i think something that i'm really proud of the team, and something that we do really well is that we kinda have a playstyle that works regardless of what kinds of comps or whatever champions we're playing and then we fit in those champions that we kind of play more specifically to those champions but i feel like the base playstyle or like, ground rules and our basics, uhh,
we can play out any kind of comp in any kind of game and i'm still really confident in our ability whereas, in the previous season we would only, tsm would only be able to play around mid or like, for a while around msi we always played around bot and it always felt like we always this like, certain playstyle that we kinda had to pick to, but now in the team, everyone feels confident in themselves that they can play any kind of style and, the team knows how play these different styles so i feel really confident regardless of, whichever comp or whichever champions that we're gonna play or even whichever meta that we're gonna get into that we'll do well, and be a strong team.
