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17:27:10:09 ��17:30:09:18 >>> good evening and welcome to 17:30:10:24 this special "vote 2014" edition17:30:14:00 of "arizona horizon." 17:30:15:00 i'm ted simons.17:30:15:27 tonight's show is a debate 17:30:16:27 sponsored by clean elections.17:30:17:18 we'll hear from candidates 17:30:19:18 competing for the office of17:30:20:27 arizona attorney general. 17:30:22:06 as with all of "arizona17:30:23:12 horizon's" debates, this is not 17:30:24:24 a formal exercise, it's an open17:30:29:03 exchange of ideas, an 17:30:30:24 opportunity for give and take17:30:30:24 between candidates for one of 17:30:36:21 the state's most important17:30:39:09 offices.
17:30:39:21 as such, interjections and even17:30:39:21 interruptions are allowed, 17:30:39:21 provided that all sides get a17:30:39:21 fair shake. 17:30:39:21 we'll do our best to see that17:30:39:21 that happens. 17:30:39:27 the attorney general is the17:30:41:06 chief legal officer for arizona, 17:30:43:03 representing state agencies and17:30:45:12 taking on cases involving civil 17:30:47:09 rights, consumer protection and17:30:49:15 complex business fraud. 17:30:50:21 two candidates are competing to17:30:51:12 be arizona's top lawyer. 17:30:53:15 they are republican brnovich,a 17:30:56:21 former assistant u.s. attorney17:30:56:21 and arizona department of gaming
17:30:58:09 director, and democrat felecia17:31:00:03 rotellini who has served in the 17:31:04:15 civil and criminal divisions of17:31:06:12 the attorney general's office. 17:31:07:27 each candidate will have one17:31:09:21 anoint opening and clothe 17:31:11:09 closing statements.17:31:12:21 we drew numbers, we decided this 17:31:15:15 ahead of time, and felecia17:31:21:06 rotellini gets the honor. 17:31:25:12 >>> i wish to return the17:31:26:18 attorney general's office to 17:31:28:21 it's core mission.17:31:30:09 that's not a political job, it's 17:31:31:18 a public safety job.17:31:32:24 when i'm attorney general i'll 17:31:34:12 rise above partisan politics and17:31:37:00 be an independent watchdog for
17:31:38:24 the people of arizona.17:31:39:27 i know this can be, because i 17:31:41:12 worked in that office for 1317:31:42:21 years under republicans and 17:31:44:06 democrats, in the civil and the17:31:45:18 criminal divisions. 17:31:46:24 i was the lead lawyer for the17:31:48:00 state against arthur anderson 17:31:50:12 for the failed audits for the17:31:53:06 baptist foundation, where we 17:31:54:12 were able to return over $21717:31:57:09 million to victims of that 17:32:01:21 fraud.17:32:02:03 i will be looking at consumer 17:32:06:12 fraud, protecting our children,17:32:07:27 going after sex trafficking and 17:32:09:21 making sure we take politics out17:32:11:21 of the attorney general's
17:32:12:09 office.17:32:13:09 >> thank you very much. 17:32:13:18 for our next opening statement17:32:15:06 now we turn to mark brnovich. 17:32:19:24 >> hi, i'm mark brnovich, i'm17:32:21:15 running for attorney general. 17:32:22:24 some you have may not know me,17:32:24:06 and others may have seen our 17:32:26:21 signs and not known how to17:32:29:27 pronounce my name. 17:32:31:09 that's okay, this is my first17:32:32:21 time running in politics, 17:32:34:12 running for anything.17:32:35:12 i graduated from shadow mountain 17:32:36:12 high school and went on to asu.17:32:40:03 met my wife while we were both 17:32:42:18 working as prosecutors, raised17:32:46:09 my family here.
17:32:47:12 i was working as a prosecutor,17:32:49:18 prosecuting the baddest of the 17:32:53:12 bad, aggravated assaults,17:32:55:00 kidnappings, i've stood toe to 17:32:58:15 toe with the baddest of the bad.17:33:00:15 i've prosecuted in the federal 17:33:04:00 system, crimes against our17:33:05:15 native american communities. 17:33:06:24 my commitment and promise to you17:33:08:12 is the same one i made to my 17:33:10:06 family.17:33:10:18 i'll work hard every day to keep 17:33:12:09 our family safe.17:33:14:06 >>> thank you both. 17:33:15:12 felecia, why you and not him?17:33:18:06 >> well, because i want to take 17:33:20:21 politics out of the attorney17:33:21:18 general's office and i will not
17:33:23:00 be an ideologue and my opponent17:33:28:06 will be. 17:33:28:21 i've had 20 years of working17:33:31:00 across party lines, protecting 17:33:33:06 and serving the people of17:33:34:27 arizona. 17:33:35:06 my opponent has already stated17:33:37:00 he will make sure the attorney 17:33:38:09 general's office promotes an17:33:40:12 antichoice agenda, he's on 17:33:44:00 record.17:33:44:12 that's not the law of the land. 17:33:46:00 most americans believe women17:33:48:03 have the right to choose. 17:33:51:03 that's what an idealogue does,17:33:53:27 not what a leader does. 17:33:55:21 >> i think we're going to17:33:57:06 probably see this a lot tonight.
17:33:58:18 unfortunately my opponent is17:34:00:21 mischaracterizing my position. 17:34:02:18 i've spent my entire career17:34:04:06 working with law enforcement 17:34:05:06 keeping our community safe.17:34:06:24 i've had a security clearance, 17:34:10:06 served in the military.17:34:11:15 i never asked anyone whether 17:34:13:21 they were republican or17:34:14:12 democrat. 17:34:15:00 not as a federal prosecutor.17:34:17:12 i worked with tribal communities 17:34:19:06 to resolve problems and so many17:34:24:00 of the issues of right and wrong 17:34:25:15 -- they are not issues of right17:34:27:06 and left, they are issues of 17:34:28:24 right and wrong.17:34:29:24 the problem is my opponent wants
17:34:31:18 to make this a partisan race.17:34:33:09 she wants to make this about 17:34:34:18 creating a strong man when it's17:34:36:21 simply not true. 17:34:38:12 >> let's be clear here.17:34:39:24 mr. brnovich has sent an email 17:34:42:18 to his database that he says he17:34:45:06 will be a pro-life attorney 17:34:46:21 general.17:34:47:03 that's not the law of the land, 17:34:48:24 and that's not the most17:34:50:09 important thing happening in the 17:34:51:21 attorney general's office.17:34:53:00 in fact, the job of the attorney 17:34:54:06 general is to prosecute17:34:56:24 financial fraud and protect 17:34:58:15 arizona families.17:34:59:15 i want to point out that mr.
17:35:01:21 brnovich took a break and made17:35:05:00 arizonans less safe. 17:35:06:18 efforts as a lobbyist and state17:35:08:00 director for the private prison 17:35:09:21 system.17:35:10:06 in 2006 he worked to kill a 17:35:12:18 piece of legislation that would17:35:13:24 have prevented the most 17:35:15:12 dangerous criminals from coming17:35:16:24 to arizona. 17:35:18:00 >> please.17:35:18:18 >> i'm glad this issue came up, 17:35:20:15 ted, this is something we need17:35:21:27 to talk about. 17:35:22:21 one of the things i think is so17:35:26:03 unfortunate about politics 17:35:27:03 today, so many want to tear17:35:28:24 folks down instead of bringing
17:35:30:09 them together.17:35:31:06 my opponent started to run an ad17:35:33:15 today which completely 17:35:34:27 mischaracterizes my positions.17:35:37:24 i have spent years putting 17:35:39:27 people in prison and trying to17:35:41:21 keep people there, this isn't a17:35:43:18 partisan issue. 17:35:44:12 democratic and republican17:35:46:18 governors have used prisons to 17:35:49:06 incarcerate individuals.17:35:51:03 we have people in private 17:35:53:18 facilities that are arizona17:35:54:24 felons. 17:35:55:12 if the legislature doesn't want17:35:56:24 to build more prisons we have
to17:35:58:06 have a place to incarcerate 17:36:01:09 people.17:36:01:24 >> but should voters be 17:36:03:18 comfortable with someone as the17:36:05:27 attorney general who used to 17:36:07:00 work for a private prison firm?17:36:09:06 >> i know more about prisons. 17:36:10:27 that's one of the reasons i've17:36:12:09 put a lot of people there. 17:36:14:06 i'm endorsed by the arizona17:36:16:27 peace officers association. 17:36:18:27 i haven't accepted sunny17:36:20:03 contributions from the private 17:36:22:24 prison folks but my opponent has17:36:25:21 accepted contributions from 17:36:27:03 people bike dennis deconcini,17:36:30:09 she's comfortable taking money
17:36:32:06 from the private prisons.17:36:33:18 but now she wants to criticize 17:36:35:24 arizona for using those17:36:38:06 facilities. 17:36:39:06 >> simply because i get a17:36:41:00 contribution from somebody i'm 17:36:42:21 somehow going to be beholden to17:36:45:03 someone. 17:36:45:21 mr. brnovich can't get around17:36:47:06 the fact that his judgment was 17:36:49:00 such that for profit, for his17:36:51:06 own economic profit, i thought 17:36:52:27 it was better to kill a pieceof 17:36:55:00 legislation that would bring17:36:56:21 killers, rapists into the state 17:36:58:21 of arizona.17:36:59:12 now he's saying he wants to make
17:37:01:21 arizona safer.17:37:02:18 that doesn't make arizona safe. 17:37:04:18 we know there have been escapes17:37:06:15 from the private prisons in 2007 17:37:09:12 and 2010.17:37:10:12 i'm owning that ad. 17:37:11:21 you, mr. brnovich, are hiding17:37:13:27 behind the special interest 17:37:15:15 groups that got you here today17:37:17:09 with the $700,000 where the koch 17:37:21:06 brothers did against tom horne.17:37:24:03 you can't say you're going to be17:37:25:21 fair. 17:37:26:06 >> let's let him respond.17:37:28:18 >> i think my opponent didn't 17:37:30:06 answer the question.17:37:31:00 she has no problem taking money
17:37:32:21 from the private prison industry17:37:34:15 or working in the banking 17:37:36:00 industry or representing people17:37:37:24 that she used to regulate. 17:37:39:24 she doesn't see any hypocrisyor 17:37:43:21 contradiction in that.17:37:44:24 >> i disagree, i disagree. 17:37:46:27 >> you've connected him now to17:37:49:03 private prison and said that's a17:37:50:12 problem. 17:37:50:24 >> yes.17:37:51:09 >> there are connections as well 17:37:53:21 between you and a variety of17:37:55:15 folks in arizona. 17:37:56:12 why is that not a problem?17:37:57:27 >> because i have received most
17:37:59:00 of my contributions from over17:38:01:21 4800 individuals. 17:38:02:27 and the average contribution is17:38:04:24 under $300. 17:38:07:00 my supporters range from17:38:08:06 republican, democrat and 17:38:10:15 independent.17:38:11:03 it's ridiculous to think that 17:38:13:03 simply because i have receiveda 17:38:14:18 contribution from someone that17:38:16:12 that somehow is going to make me17:38:18:18 beholden to them. 17:38:20:09 >> i'm just using the same logic17:38:22:21 she's trying to use. 17:38:24:06 at the end of the day what we17:38:26:06 need to appreciate is there are
17:38:27:24 7,000 arizona inmates in private17:38:30:06 facilities. 17:38:30:27 if my opponent is so against17:38:32:27 private prisons, she needs to 17:38:34:21 recognize two things.17:38:35:18 the biggest users of private 17:38:38:03 prison it is in arizona is the17:38:39:24 obama administration. 17:38:40:09 >> thru go, another way i'm not17:38:42:00 an obama ally. 17:38:44:03 can you believe it, mr.17:38:45:15 brnovich? 17:38:46:15 >> if i could finish, ted.17:38:47:27 >> please. 17:38:48:15 >> the second thing, my opponent17:38:50:12 should answer the question. 17:38:52:00 where do you want these 7,00017:38:55:21 inmates to go?
17:38:58:00 i don't want them released from17:38:59:21 prison. 17:39:00:03 i also don't want the17:39:01:15 legislature to spend hundreds of17:39:02:27 millions that should be used for 17:39:05:06 education to fund additional17:39:07:00 prisons. 17:39:08:09 >> where do the inmates go?17:39:10:06 >> the inmates he allowed into 17:39:11:27 the state through this17:39:13:12 legislation are from hawaii and 17:39:15:12 from alaska.17:39:18:00 so we're not talking about 17:39:19:24 private prisons where we're17:39:21:21 putting arizona convict. 17:39:25:09 we're talking about private17:39:26:12 prisons that are here and we're
17:39:28:12 importing the worst of the17:39:30:06 worst. 17:39:30:18 the legislation he killed would17:39:32:00 have simply prevented those kind 17:39:34:18 of criminals from coming to17:39:37:00 arizona. 17:39:37:09 >> all right.17:39:38:15 we've got this all started by me17:39:40:21 asking why you and not him. 17:39:42:18 why you and not her?17:39:44:18 >> ted, because i think it's 17:39:45:24 important to have an attorney17:39:47:12 general that's going to work 17:39:48:21 hard every day to protect our17:39:50:03 families and communities. 17:39:51:06 as i said, as someone that grew17:39:53:06 up here, that's worked as a
17:39:55:15 prosecutor in both the federal17:39:56:18 and state courts, i'm the only 17:39:58:18 person that's handled violent17:40:00:12 felony cases. 17:40:01:09 i'm not only person that's17:40:02:15 actually tried jury trials in 17:40:04:21 both the federal and state17:40:06:03 system of criminal cases. 17:40:07:21 i'm the only person that's17:40:09:03 actually tried federal 17:40:11:12 corruption cases.17:40:12:18 i'm the only person that's tried 17:40:14:15 cases for native americans,17:40:20:06 including indian casinos. 17:40:22:00 with everything going on in this17:40:23:12 country and the obama 17:40:24:18 administration about to grant17:40:25:18 amnesty to millions of people.
17:40:29:06 >> ted, may i respond?17:40:30:24 >> and also have the experience 17:40:32:00 to hit the ground running from17:40:34:06 day 1. 17:40:35:00 >> mr. brnovich is running for17:40:36:24 county attorney. 17:40:37:15 that's where he got his17:40:39:15 experience of doing street 17:40:41:09 crime.17:40:41:18 that's not the jurisdiction of 17:40:43:27 the attorney general.17:40:44:21 you said so in your opening 17:40:46:27 remarks.17:40:47:09 the job is to do statewide 17:40:50:18 financial fraud.17:40:51:24 it's great if he wants to work 17:40:53:12 in the county attorney's office.17:40:55:12 let me set the criminal record
17:40:57:27 straight.17:40:58:15 i was doing jury trials in the 17:41:00:09 civil arena before mr. brnovich17:41:03:21 was out of law school. 17:41:07:18 he was in the financial fraud17:41:09:00 and public corruption section of17:41:11:03 that office. 17:41:12:03 we didn't do street crimes.17:41:13:21 we did complex fraud. 17:41:15:24 i then spent hundreds of hours17:41:18:00 in the civil division doing 17:41:20:06 trials where i returned hundreds17:41:21:24 of millions of dollars to 17:41:23:09 victims of fraud.17:41:24:09 let me just finish by saying: 17:41:27:00 the arizona republic, a very17:41:30:12 conservative editorial board,
17:41:32:15 looked at my record, looked at17:41:34:15 his record and endorsed me. 17:41:36:15 and in fact said that my record17:41:39:15 and my background is more 17:41:41:06 germane and more relevant to17:41:43:21 what the attorney general's 17:41:44:12 office does.17:41:45:18 >> let's get a response. 17:41:47:00 >> yeah.17:41:47:18 you know, i think as someone 17:41:48:24 that's been involved in hiring,17:41:51:03 firing, running an agency and 17:41:53:12 actually keeping it under17:41:54:21 budget, one of the first things 17:41:58:15 we talk about, you look at the17:42:00:21 resume. 17:42:01:12 there's a reason why my opponent17:42:03:06 doesn't want to talk about her
17:42:05:00 resume and complete lack of17:42:07:06 criminal trial experience, 17:42:08:27 complete lack of handling any17:42:11:00 violent crime. 17:42:13:00 when we're going toe to toe with17:42:15:06 the cartels, do you want someone 17:42:17:06 that needs on-the-job training?17:42:19:18 or someone who stood in the 17:42:21:18 courtroom and faced them down17:42:23:00 and won the convictions? 17:42:25:18 i was just meeting with some17:42:30:03 state sheriffs in yavapai 17:42:34:00 county.17:42:34:15 when there are complex cases 17:42:36:12 including homicides and17:42:37:18 aggravated assaults, those cases 17:42:39:24 do come to the attorney17:42:40:27 general's office.
17:42:42:06 complex crime cases also cometo 17:42:44:21 the attorney general's office.17:42:46:03 >> let me go back to the fact 17:42:47:21 that republicans like rick17:42:49:15 bromley, the former maricopa 17:42:52:03 county attorney who gave mr.17:42:56:06 brnovich his first job. 17:42:58:00 >> actually my first job was17:42:59:27 delivering papers -- 17:43:03:12 >> excuse me.17:43:05:03 -- is endorsing me. 17:43:06:15 the fraternal order of police.17:43:08:12 again, mr. brnovich is talking 17:43:10:12 about street crimes.17:43:12:06 not the types of crimes that are 17:43:16:09 prosecuted in the attorney17:43:17:03 general's office.
17:43:18:09 and let me tell you something17:43:19:24 else. 17:43:20:09 most of what the attorney17:43:21:21 general's office does on the 17:43:23:06 civil side, representing state17:43:25:00 agencies. 17:43:25:21 when i was in the attorney17:43:26:15 general's offices i represented 17:43:28:03 three different state agencies.17:43:29:21 i have the experience and the 17:43:31:12 knowledge of the business17:43:32:12 community that will make meet 17:43:33:27 better attorney general.17:43:34:21 and so does the "arizona 17:43:37:03 republic."17:43:38:00 >> the attorney general is 17:43:40:00 obliged to protect all of17:43:41:27 arizona's laws.
17:43:43:06 are you prepared to do that,17:43:44:24 even if some of those laws you 17:43:47:15 disagree with or if you think17:43:49:00 they are unconstitutional? 17:43:51:09 >> absolutely.17:43:51:21 the law is what the law is. 17:43:53:18 bob corbin, arizona's longers17:43:56:09 serving attorney general who 17:43:57:00 endorsed me, he is very fond of17:43:59:27 saying, what does the law say. 17:44:02:00 i will be there not only to17:44:03:27 defend arizona's laws regardless 17:44:05:21 of what he personally think but17:44:07:24 i will defend us against the 17:44:09:18 overreach of the obama17:44:10:18 administration. 17:44:11:03 when we see what's happening,if
17:44:13:24 you don't like the law, change17:44:15:03 the legislature. 17:44:15:24 we have an initiative process.17:44:17:18 you can change the governor. 17:44:19:03 as attorney general you have to17:44:20:12 enforce the law period. 17:44:21:27 >> even laws you don't agree17:44:23:24 with? 17:44:24:21 >> i will enforce them.17:44:26:12 >> if 1062 comes around the bend 17:44:30:09 again, are you going to protect17:44:31:27 that? 17:44:32:15 >> i will defend it.17:44:33:18 it's not that it is 17:44:35:03 unconstitutional, and not in the17:44:37:00 best interests of the people of 17:44:38:18 arizona.17:44:40:00 that is an opportunity for the
17:44:41:09 attorney general to show a17:44:42:18 leadership position. 17:44:43:15 that's the reason why mr.17:44:45:09 brnovich is an idealogue. 17:44:49:06 he has the backing of the center17:44:51:06 for arizona policy, anti-women, 17:44:54:00 anti-gay, anti-immigration17:44:56:06 groups that are hopeful that 17:44:57:06 he'll get in there, they need17:44:58:24 someone like him who will do 17:45:00:18 their bidding, and make sure17:45:03:12 these ideological laws that are 17:45:06:03 bad for the state, that governor17:45:12:18 burra vetoed should not happen. 17:45:16:09 >> we are talking about why mr.17:45:18:24 brnovich is wrong for the 17:45:20:03 office.17:45:20:18 >> this is almost comical quite
17:45:22:12 frankly.17:45:23:06 frankly, what i said with 1062, 17:45:25:03 when i was asked about it.17:45:26:18 as attorney general i would 17:45:28:00 defend the law.17:45:28:24 my opponent said it was 17:45:30:18 unconstitutional and kind of17:45:31:27 hemmed and hawed. 17:45:36:03 she's spending a lot of moneyon 17:45:39:03 polling.17:45:40:12 i think that's the problem 17:45:41:21 arizonans have with politicians.17:45:43:24 one, they just try and attack 17:45:45:00 the other person.17:45:46:09 then they try to use polls to 17:45:48:06 tell people what they want to17:45:49:15 hear.
17:45:49:27 i do know this.17:45:51:12 when president obama sued us 17:45:53:24 over 1070, she was running for17:45:56:18 attorney general in 2010. 17:45:58:00 when her union bosses wanted to17:46:01:18 boycott arizona, she said 17:46:05:09 nothing.17:46:05:24 >> that is not true. 17:46:06:27 that is not true.17:46:08:15 >> let's go to the connection 17:46:10:03 and then wanting to boycott17:46:11:18 arizona. 17:46:12:03 what's that all about?17:46:13:12 >> you know, i don't know. 17:46:14:09 i was on record since -- at the17:46:18:09 very beginning that i would 17:46:20:03 defend sb 1070.17:46:22:09 in the debates on your show, i
17:46:24:00 said that.17:46:24:15 and you know what? 17:46:25:21 you have misrepresented me inso 17:46:28:15 many ways, mark.17:46:29:24 to say i'm an obama ally is just 17:46:33:06 ridiculous.17:46:33:18 you know who's reading the 17:46:35:06 polls?17:46:36:03 it's mr. brnovich. 17:46:37:27 he ran against tom horne because17:46:41:06 he was the second most unpopular 17:46:44:15 person in the state.17:46:45:24 now he's running lower than mr. 17:46:48:03 horne.17:46:48:18 this is a man who follows the 17:46:50:18 polls.17:46:51:18 this is a man who, other than
17:46:52:27 the dark money coming in, would17:46:54:12 not be here today. 17:46:55:21 >> no one worked harder in the17:46:57:27 primary than i did. 17:46:59:18 a 1, 2% chance of beating17:47:03:09 someone in your own party. 17:47:04:21 i took it on because it was the17:47:06:12 right thing to do. 17:47:08:09 it was something we did not --17:47:10:00 something somebody else did. 17:47:12:00 when i was the prosecutor there17:47:13:06 was an old saying. 17:47:17:00 if it looks like a duck, quacks17:47:18:09 like a duck, walks like a duck, 17:47:20:21 it must be a duck.17:47:22:09 my opponent can say what she 17:47:24:18 wants.17:47:25:21 she became a democrat when jimmy
17:47:29:09 carter was president.17:47:30:21 you yourself had given money to 17:47:33:15 people like al franken, and17:47:35:09 others. 17:47:36:12 a who's who of a rogue's17:47:41:00 gallery. 17:47:41:18 >> let's go back to the boardof 17:47:43:03 the "arizona republic" that17:47:45:12 called mr. brnovich out for 17:47:47:09 doing this very thing, for being17:47:50:06 political, for being a typical 17:47:52:00 politician.17:47:52:12 by trying to say that i'm an 17:47:55:15 obama ally when my 20-year17:47:58:24 record in the trench is is all 17:48:00:12 about working across party17:48:01:27 lineds he and doing the right
17:48:04:15 thing for the people of ard.17:48:06:03 >> she was unwilling to stand up17:48:08:12 and criticize obama when he sued 17:48:11:06 arizona.17:48:11:18 >> let's talk about the issues. 17:48:14:00 could we talk about the issues?17:48:15:21 >> we're trying to talk about 17:48:16:21 the issues.17:48:17:24 one of the issues i've heard a 17:48:19:09 couple times from you is this17:48:20:27 idea of federal overreach. 17:48:22:18 what does that mean?17:48:23:15 >> i think one of the things the 17:48:25:00 attorney general must do is17:48:26:21 represent arizona and the 17:48:29:06 overreach of the federal17:48:30:06 government.
17:48:30:21 in states like arizona where so17:48:33:00 much of our land is controlled 17:48:35:12 by the federal government, we17:48:36:09 need an attorney general that 17:48:37:18 understands property rights.17:48:40:03 i have written amicus briefs and 17:48:47:06 i'll very familiar.17:48:48:21 it's important that we have an 17:48:49:18 attorney general that's goingto 17:48:52:18 fight back.17:48:53:09 a mill lost 17 jobs because the 17:48:56:00 bureaucrats of the federal17:48:57:27 government won't let us thin our 17:48:59:24 forests.17:49:01:03 if you don't thin your forests 17:49:03:03 you have bigger forest fires.17:49:04:24 whether it's the endangered
17:49:06:18 species act, forest management,17:49:08:27 or new rules promulgated by the 17:49:12:15 obama administration, that we17:49:13:12 need to have an attorney general 17:49:15:03 that will fight back.17:49:16:15 >> lip service. 17:49:17:21 >> lip service, mr. brnovich17:49:20:18 during the primary was giving 17:49:22:15 lip service to going after the17:49:25:00 profit. 17:49:25:24 before the primary i testified17:49:28:06 in front of the arizona house 17:49:29:15 energy committee on my17:49:32:24 opposition to the epa rules, the 17:49:34:27 clean power plan.17:49:35:24 i met with the stakeholders, the 17:49:39:00 utilities.17:49:39:15 i submitted my testimony and i'm
17:49:42:09 on record.17:49:43:00 that's what the attorney general 17:49:44:00 is supposed to do.17:49:45:03 go on record. 17:49:46:03 be substantive and take action.17:49:48:09 i have always stated that i will 17:49:49:24 go after the epa for these17:49:52:21 rules. 17:49:53:03 they are draconian.17:49:55:03 i know better than anyone the 17:49:58:09 federal government overreach17:49:59:09 from my year of regulating the 17:50:01:06 banking community.17:50:02:06 i had to face down the federal 17:50:03:12 government and i've seen up17:50:05:00 close and personal the one size 17:50:07:03 fits all arrogance.17:50:08:15 mr. brnovich continues to lie
17:50:11:03 about my positions on these17:50:13:06 things. 17:50:13:27 we've been in debates for17:50:15:27 several weeks now. 17:50:18:03 i've never wavered from the fact17:50:21:24 that i was going to fight the 17:50:23:15 federal overreach.17:50:25:27 i don't support his alleged 17:50:28:09 executive order that he may do,17:50:31:00 in lieu of comprehensive 17:50:32:24 immigration reform.17:50:35:06 that's where we should go. 17:50:37:06 >> immigration in general, your17:50:38:24 position on this and your 17:50:40:03 position as the attorney17:50:41:03 general. 17:50:41:21 >> i will tell you what, ted.17:50:43:21 no one understands immigration
17:50:45:03 better than i do.17:50:46:00 my mother immigrated from the 17:50:48:06 form her yugoslavia where she17:50:50:24 lived through the horrors of 17:50:53:12 world war ii and com in17:50:54:21 addition. 17:50:55:15 we were instilled with a great17:50:58:00 sense that we have an obligation 17:51:00:06 to give something back to this17:51:01:21 country. 17:51:02:06 i think immigration is something17:51:03:15 this country needs. 17:51:04:15 but at the same time, we are a17:51:06:00 nation of laws. 17:51:07:00 we must clear the border.17:51:10:21 >> there is someone talking from 17:51:12:09 an ideological standpoint.17:51:14:18 >> he has yet to answer what his
17:51:16:12 plan will be to secure the17:51:18:03 border. 17:51:18:24 >> last time we were on here i17:51:20:15 think with mr. horne in one of 17:51:22:12 the debates, i've made it very17:51:24:24 clear, the attorney general must 17:51:26:18 use that bully pulpit, the17:51:29:03 office to force the federal 17:51:30:06 government to do its job.17:51:31:27 whether that's suing the federal 17:51:34:06 government for not securing the17:51:36:24 border, more importantly i have 17:51:38:09 a history of going after the17:51:40:15 gangs and the cartels. 17:51:42:00 we need to make sure we're going17:51:47:03 after the cartels that are 17:51:48:12 smuggling drugs and people into17:51:50:00 this country.
17:51:50:21 we have to use title 13, the17:51:53:03 criminal statutes. 17:51:54:21 >> ted, may i answer this17:51:55:21 question? 17:51:56:12 >> okay.17:51:57:03 >> i have already gone after the 17:51:58:24 companies that have facilitated17:52:02:24 illegal immigration as 17:52:03:24 superintendent of the financial17:52:04:21 institutions. 17:52:05:09 in my first eight months as17:52:08:06 superintendent, i find the money 17:52:10:00 transmitters, the folks who sent17:52:11:21 wires to the coyotes, over $3.5 17:52:16:09 million for facilitating human17:52:20:00 smuggling and violation the 17:52:23:00 rules designed to stop the flow17:52:25:06 of cash to human smugglers.
17:52:29:24 as top prosecutor i'm going17:52:32:03 after the drug cartels. 17:52:33:15 i'm going to -- do you think17:52:36:00 [inaudible] 17:52:36:24 >> secondly, do not interrupt17:52:38:03 me, mr. brnovich. 17:52:39:21 i have the floor.17:52:40:18 secondly we have to go over -- 17:52:44:03 crush their financial backbones.17:52:46:03 i know how to follow the money. 17:52:47:21 we need to use the rico laws and17:52:50:00 forfeiture laws to hit them 17:52:52:06 where it hurts and shut down the17:52:54:09 flow of money. 17:52:55:03 >> they are the same ideas i17:52:56:24 just said about going after the 17:52:58:27 cartels and the financial part.17:53:00:24 my question was do you noe not
17:53:03:00 think the cartels are violent.17:53:04:24 she tries to minimize my 17:53:06:21 experience.17:53:07:27 >> minimizing the fact that 17:53:09:03 going after dangerous criminals17:53:11:06 is the job of the county 17:53:13:18 attorneys who have original17:53:15:12 jurisdiction for that. 17:53:16:09 there's over 500 assistant17:53:19:06 county attorneys. 17:53:20:18 in both the pima county and17:53:23:21 maricopa county that do those 17:53:25:09 violent crimes.17:53:26:09 what he doesn't want to touch is17:53:28:09 the fact that he's never 17:53:29:24 prosecuted financial fraud.17:53:31:09 he's never returned moneys to
17:53:34:00 victims of fraud.17:53:34:21 he's never shut down scammers. 17:53:36:21 he has never worked in the areas17:53:39:21 that are the economic drivers of17:53:41:15 the economy. 17:53:42:12 >> you know what, i was an17:53:44:15 assistant united states 17:53:46:03 attorney.17:53:46:12 i've gone after corrupt public 17:53:49:24 figures.17:53:50:12 i've handed tax evasion crimes, 17:53:54:09 financial crimes involving17:53:55:18 casinos. 17:53:56:06 my owe bone does not want to17:53:58:18 talk about that she's never 17:54:01:21 tried a criminal case in her17:54:04:12 career.
17:54:04:24 she talks about the department17:54:06:15 of financial institution stuff, 17:54:09:00 maybe she should start to play17:54:10:24 why when we start there we were 17:54:14:27 21st in mortgage fraud and we17:54:17:18 went to fourth. 17:54:19:09 >> this is a classic of mr.17:54:20:18 brnovich. 17:54:21:15 what he does, he goes after17:54:23:00 people with a barrage of 17:54:24:24 accusations.17:54:25:27 then he has to retract. 17:54:28:27 when he was the director of17:54:30:00 department of gaming he had a 17:54:33:00 debacle in the global access17:54:36:12 scattered shower -- global 17:54:38:00 access access case.17:54:40:09 that case his department
17:54:41:24 bungled.17:54:42:21 he had outrageous allegations 17:54:44:21 regarding people that he denied17:54:46:15 licenses to. 17:54:47:12 they went after -- he could not17:54:50:24 respond and he sued -- let me 17:54:53:27 say this again --17:54:56:09 >> we've got to go quickly. 17:54:58:06 we're running out of time.17:54:59:15 >> here what's mr. brnovich d. 17:55:01:12 he refused to provide public17:55:03:00 record to people who had the 17:55:04:09 right to find out the17:55:05:09 allegations against him. 17:55:06:27 he was sued in federal court and17:55:10:00 the judge ordered him to pay 17:55:12:03 over $100,000.17:55:13:21 >> absolutely.
17:55:14:12 this is a case that i inherited,17:55:18:06 bungled from the previous 17:55:19:15 administration of the attorney17:55:20:12 general's office. 17:55:22:00 there were law enforcement17:55:23:00 records we were not supposed to 17:55:24:15 have, the department did.17:55:25:27 i thought it was important to 17:55:27:15 protect law enforcement and17:55:28:12 protect those records because 17:55:29:18 they weren't records of our17:55:31:03 agency. 17:55:31:24 >> he ended up letting the17:55:33:06 people he believessed should 17:55:37:12 never have a license to gaming,17:55:39:09 they got a license. 17:55:40:09 >> final word.17:55:41:00 >> my opponent is still oh not
17:55:43:21 going to explain why mortgage17:55:45:27 fraud increased while people 17:55:47:27 lost money.17:55:50:00 >> when i was the head of that 17:55:53:12 department i did more for17:55:54:18 mortgage fraud than anyone else 17:55:56:09 in the country.17:55:57:00 >> we've got to get to closing 17:55:59:00 statements.17:55:59:18 eastern candidate will now give 17:56:01:27 a one-minute closing statement.17:56:03:15 we start with mark brnovich. 17:56:05:21 >> thank you, ted.17:56:07:18 it is my pleasure to be here. 17:56:09:09 i would urge people to go to my17:56:11:21 website. 17:56:12:27 you can find out more about the17:56:14:24 campaign.
17:56:15:09 frankly, sometimes some of these17:56:17:00 accusations, my opponents create 17:56:19:24 a website.17:56:20:27 she's running negative ads 17:56:22:21 because she didn't want to talk17:56:24:06 about her record, she wants to 17:56:26:03 attack me.17:56:27:03 they want an attorney general 17:56:28:09 who's going to work hard every17:56:29:24 day to protect our families and 17:56:31:06 our communities.17:56:32:06 i grew up here and got in this 17:56:34:06 race not because i wanted to be17:56:36:12 somebody, but because i wanted 17:56:37:21 to protect our families and our17:56:40:06 communities. 17:56:40:18 i've had a history of workingas
17:56:42:18 a prosecutor, i'm a member of17:56:45:18 the state parks board, i've 17:56:48:00 served in the military.17:56:49:06 i have the support of the 17:56:51:06 arizona chambers, national17:56:53:27 independent business 17:56:55:00 association, we have a broad17:56:56:09 coalition of support. 17:56:57:18 i would like your vote, as well.17:56:59:15 i urge you to join me. 17:57:03:03 god bless you, thank you.17:57:04:21 >> for our final closing 17:57:06:21 statement we turn to felecia17:57:08:12 felecia rotellini. 17:57:09:27 >> i have been close to two17:57:12:12 decades prosecuting criminals. 17:57:17:24 i've thrown people in jail and17:57:19:06 i've returns hundreds of
17:57:20:24 millions to victims of fraud.17:57:22:27 protecting and serving the 17:57:24:00 people of arizona is my passion.17:57:26:06 that's why i have the 17:57:27:18 endorsements of the arizona17:57:29:09 police association, the 17:57:30:15 fraternal order of police.17:57:34:15 i have the firefighters, all of 17:57:36:18 the sworn law enforcement groups17:57:38:21 in the state of arizona are 17:57:40:06 endorsing me.17:57:41:09 and that's why i have the 17:57:42:21 endorsements of business groups,17:57:44:24 republicans and independents, 17:57:46:03 like maricopa county attorney17:57:48:18 rick bromley who, again, knows 17:57:52:06 my background and experience and17:57:53:18 is endorsing me.
17:57:55:12 this is a crucial election.17:57:57:15 you've heard it from mr. 17:57:59:12 brnovich.17:58:00:12 he wants to skirt around the 17:58:03:09 issues.17:58:04:09 he's an idealogue. 17:58:07:21 he will use it for the dark17:58:10:06 money special interests that 17:58:14:03 will do his bidding.17:58:16:03 >> that is it. 17:58:16:27 thank you both, thank you for17:58:18:12 joining us, as well. 17:58:20:03 that's it for now, i'm ted17:58:21:15 simons. 17:58:22:03 you have a great evening.17:58:26:15 >>> eight, arizona pbs a service 17:58:29:00 of arizona state university17:58:31:06 gives arizonans from all walks
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